Curse

Rialto · Mar 13, 2012, 01:32 AM // 01:32

I was messing around last night on my ranger and decided to vfarm for a bit. I don't have any pve skills and the touch build looked pretty slow. I went the dagger route and it did the job. With a good spawn the run can take around 3.5 to 4 minutes, bad spawn 4 to 5 minutes.

Video: Ranger (R/A) - Vaettir Farm [No PvE Skills/60 pull]

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Weapon: Zealous (not in this video but it really helps), +5e, 20% longer enchants
Armor: Full Earthbound, attunement, vigor, +3 wilderness, +1 expertise

Usage:

Defense Skills - Cast Deadly Paradox, Shadow Form, Way of Perfection and Storm Chaser in that order every time.

Offense Skills - Start with Golden Phoenix Strike then Death Blossom followed by Jagged Strike, Fox Fangs, Death Blossom. Continue the Jagged Strike, Fox Fangs, Death Blossom chain until Golden Phoenix Strike is ready or you need to recast your defensive skills.

Why does this work without Shroud of Distress or two assassin enchants? Because after all the damage reduction is calculated you take 3-4 damage per hit. There's a little quirk with the way Shadow Form works where recasting the same assassin enchant, in this case Way of Perfection, adds an additional -5 reduction making you invulnerable.

I apologize in advance if something like this has already been posted.

Lithril Ashwalker · Mar 13, 2012, 06:35 AM // 06:35

great build - now find a way to do it without complaining about how sins are overpowered then turning around and using the profession's elite skill

Rialto · Mar 13, 2012, 06:38 AM // 06:38

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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

great build - now find a way to do it without complaining about how sins are overpowered then turning around and using the profession's elite skill

Thanks I think?

This is the first time I posted here so I'm not really sure if you are referring to me complaining about sins...

On a lighter note, I think you'll find it amusing that Shadow Form is the only elite I've capture for an assassin :P

Rialto · Mar 13, 2012, 10:16 AM // 10:16

I never understood the Shadow Form hate. I personally have lots of fun with it.

I think my next thing is to try to get Dwarven Stability and use Serpent's Quickness + Shadow Form. If I can perma Serpent's and SF then all I would need to do is grab an e-management dagger skill. The thing that really slows this build down is the 10 second recharge on the attack skills from Deadly Paradox.

Bristlebane · Mar 13, 2012, 10:54 AM // 10:54

Important is you just enjoy the game.

On a personal note, I think any build revolving around Shadow Form is unimpressive because that skill is too over powered. If you make a similar build without it, I might be more impressed.

Rialto · Mar 13, 2012, 12:06 PM // 12:06

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

Important is you just enjoy the game.

On a personal note, I think any build revolving around Shadow Form is unimpressive because that skill is too over powered. If you make a similar build without it, I might be more impressed.

I tried a heck of a lot of stuff, they have nasty spells and personally my goal was to try to be solo, no hero bonding etc.

Also without the additional -5 reduction, using Melandru's Resilience gets overwhelmed by all the 3-4 damage.

I was thinking VoS, but then I realize that it's mysticism so that wouldn't work.

I'm all up for non-Shadow Form suggestions, keep in mind that it has to be with a Ranger.

Essence Snow · Mar 13, 2012, 05:41 PM // 17:41

I'm not exactly sure why one wouldn't use PvE skills while vaettir farming since it is in eotn where u access them....dwarven stab+serpents quickness...will rc sf w/o the downfall of dp 10sec non attack.

doomfodder · Mar 13, 2012, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

I'm not exactly sure why one wouldn't use PvE skills while vaettir farming since it is in eotn where u access them....dwarven stab+serpents quickness...will rc sf w/o the downfall of dp 10sec non attack.

I'm guessing the loss of storm chaser would prohibit the e-management....

Rialto · Mar 13, 2012, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

I'm not exactly sure why one wouldn't use PvE skills while vaettir farming since it is in eotn where u access them....dwarven stab+serpents quickness...will rc sf w/o the downfall of dp 10sec non attack.

I normally play on my Rit, and my Ranger hasn't gone through a lot of the content. I did pick up Dwarven Stability, but you need to have a decent rank in Deld or really high Wilderness in order to keep it up without it dropping at a time when you need to recast SF.

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Originally Posted by doomfodder

I'm guessing the loss of storm chaser would prohibit the e-management....

When I did try the Dwarven Stability + Serpent's I used Golden Lotus Strike and Lotus Strike for energy and it was more then enough.

ultimak719 · Mar 13, 2012, 11:33 PM // 23:33

I think it would be safer to just use shroud, because even with the bug, you will occasionally take some damage, and shroud is an excellent, "aw crap" net.

Rialto · Mar 14, 2012, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by ultimak719

I think it would be safer to just use shroud, because even with the bug, you will occasionally take some damage, and shroud is an excellent, "aw crap" net.

Take a look at the video, you'll see there aren't any "oh crap" moments

The only time you take damage is the time between casting the first SF/Perfection and the second SF/Perfection, which is not enough to kill you or really give you a freak out.

Also, the third cast of SF/Perfection will give you immunity from behind so you can stand with your back to them and /dance to all the 0's on the screen.

CE Devilman · Mar 17, 2012, 07:02 PM // 19:02

nice to see a ranger do it...gz

so no selfhealing = longer pull..hmm
(note: it you let the first 30 hit you near the holy flame for 4-5 sec..you dont loss agro to get the next 30)

made a build for sin/mesmer / mesmer/sin on the op´s build
(last skill is if U get stuck)

60 kills in 3 min
skillcode:OwVTI2h9ZiHRn5mSGwAYRkAKgBA

(note if U cast sf and the 2 enc as soon as U enter the place U get the more armor..but no big deal)

if U want to be on the safe side...
skillcode:OwVTI2h95hHpzupyADwBkAGwAA

update 2 min run

Rialto · Mar 19, 2012, 11:38 AM // 11:38

Yea on my Mesmer I can get the 2-3 minute runs. I just wanted an option for my Ranger to do Legendary Survivor as well as farm up some special event stuff.

Don't you just love that spike spot? I got the idea from a Dervish vfarm video doing a 60 pull. No more punching babies because the Vaettirs scattered :P

Notorious Bob · Mar 22, 2012, 12:36 PM // 12:36

Nicely thought out and presented.

Props from the veterans society!

agrios · Apr 05, 2012, 01:04 PM // 13:04

This post prompted me to learn Vaettirs , E/Me way. It works nice, since dmg with Obi Flesh is not capped as is w/SF (plus I cant run Shadow Form for a reason unknown to me), but it leaves no room for mistakes. If I fail do cast glyph of swiftness-obi flesh-stone flesh = death.

But even when I get used to the correct cast sequence, there is a few "aw crap" moments when just one single Vaettir manages to break out of aggro and kill me by degen when I run outta energy. Is there any hint to avoid this kind of thing or should I map out ASAP when this happens?

Im eager to learn to proper farm vaettirs to get survivor for my HoM.

Spiritz · Apr 05, 2012, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by agrios

This post prompted me to learn Vaettirs , E/Me way. It works nice, since dmg with Obi Flesh is not capped as is w/SF (plus I cant run Shadow Form for a reason unknown to me), but it leaves no room for mistakes. If I fail do cast glyph of swiftness-obi flesh-stone flesh = death.

But even when I get used to the correct cast sequence, there is a few "aw crap" moments when just one single Vaettir manages to break out of aggro and kill me by degen when I run outta energy. Is there any hint to avoid this kind of thing or should I map out ASAP when this happens?

Im eager to learn to proper farm vaettirs to get survivor for my HoM.

can u post the build and armor setup and weapon your using - ive farmed them as sin/mes and ele and im surprised as ele you have energy issues.
Ele farm is more forgiving than sf version - you can survive on ele at best 1 foe getting degen on you - ive survived with around 80hp before.But sf has its own bonus - it doesnt halt you like when on ele you cast obby - sin stops only for less than a second which allows you to move and position - ele can be bodyblocked by time obby chain is cast.

agrios · Apr 05, 2012, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

can u post the build and armor setup and weapon your using - ive farmed them as sin/mes and ele and im surprised as ele you have energy issues.
Ele farm is more forgiving than sf version - you can survive on ele at best 1 foe getting degen on you - ive survived with around 80hp before.But sf has its own bonus - it doesnt halt you like when on ele you cast obby - sin stops only for less than a second which allows you to move and position - ele can be bodyblocked by time obby chain is cast.

My build is: AWRATIlssjBQ6rN+q3UZAAAAA
(last 2 slots I'm still working on some ideas..)

Equipment:
Runes: +3+1 Earth
+1 Energy Storage
Vigor
Atunement
Geomancer insignias
20/20 Earth Scroll
Totem Axe (+5en / +20% ench)

When things goes as they should, I have no problem surviving or even with energy. Its quick and clean..

The fact I reported happened, to say, 1 or 2 times, when a Vaettir simply ran away from the group, recovered its HP and when I finished the group, it just came back and got me with my pants down. I even survived for a time, but with only 1 foe hitting me, the energy gained by MoE was not enough to keep the build and kill it, so..I died.

Spiritz · Apr 06, 2012, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Somehow the splits are rare - best thing i can suggest is when pulling try and keep back to them and draw them together.It can also help if obby is near to finishing try to keep what you have pulled and make sure no bodyblocks - soon as obby is renewed you shud be able to pull the others.If theres only 1 left - just avoid them and go for next mob or grab stuff and run thru to bjora.
One other thing you could try - check on youtube and view any vaettire farming vids - even if sin/mes/mo are doing them - the methods almost identical on pulls and placement and you may spot a few useful tricks

pogi8 · May 06, 2012, 01:54 PM // 13:54

good, but not the fastest ranger build...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vB3APFRa0I

wildclaw · May 10, 2012, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

can u post the build and armor setup and weapon your using - ive farmed them as sin/mes and ele and im surprised as ele you have energy issues.
Ele farm is more forgiving than sf version - you can survive on ele at best 1 foe getting degen on you - ive survived with around 80hp before.But sf has its own bonus - it doesnt halt you like when on ele you cast obby - sin stops only for less than a second which allows you to move and position - ele can be bodyblocked by time obby chain is cast.

A full setup of Vaettir debuffs takes away somewhere between 400-450hp. The best part is that Vaettir's only spell damage is from hexes, so even if you let your Obsidian Flesh drop for 10 seconds you still won't die as long as you get it up before they recast Phantom Pain.

I got fairly accustomed to it as I have been running E/Me the last two weeks with Cupcakes+Pumpkin Pie+Golden Eggs (all but Cupcakes are somewhat optional) using an advanced E/Me pull where I let OF drop intentionally for faster clears.

* Eat Cupcake for speed buff
* Run just until before you aggro. Cast Glyph+OF.
* Gather up a side until there only is 5 or less seconds left on OF
* Cast SA (Normally the cupcake speed buff should be enough before this to avoid taking any serious, as in reducing your hp to below 450hp, damage)
* Continue gathering while OF drop and then position yourself so they'll come at you from one side.
* Recast OF and be prepared to back away a step at a time as they come at you quickly (this is the whole reason for dropping OF). For best effect you want everyone on the same side, but if you get surrounded it will just take a bit longer killing them.
* Now it is generally best best to wait a few seconds and recast SA, as otherwise you'll usually end up with a few runners.
* Once SA is recast do the usual tab until you see Aura of Lyssa cast bar and cast your two Wastrels.
* Once you have hit with three sets of Wastrels finish them of with Crystal Wave plus Teinai's Crystals.

* If you got surrounded or had runners around the third Wastrel set, don't use your crystal spells, but instead refresh OF+SA (this is where I like to have pumpkin pie or golden egg so that you never have to panic about both coming of cooldown at the same time) and continue using Wastrel's to kill the main group. Then gather the stragglers and finish them with crystals and wastrel's.